FlatChan/Lolicon is illegal
<shirkingmeh> =3 4e1243bd22c66e76c2ba9eddc1f91394e57f9f83 <shirkingmeh> um, friend got pwnd because she was selling amphetamines and was part of some drug ring. 9cb0a9cba4a4214d853bd9e114f6be3abf1ed30e <shirkingmeh> cause i was a friend and my email etc etc ws on her computtterz i got mah shit jacked <shirkingmeh> no <shirkingmeh> wouldnt matter if they did really either... <shirkingmeh> i wiped my hdd with remote desktop from work rite as they called me.... =3 <82e1a705f4bf> your silly you know that <shirkingmeh> i knu <shirkingmeh> i was actualy worried about the sfotware i had, but that was really it. <Kokonoe> oh noez u have loli ur gonna get V& <82e1a705f4bf> see cause if they took that machine a simple recovery of the volume would have revealed you had loli <shirkingmeh> probably. <shirkingmeh> loli isnt illegal so idc <shirkingmeh> the adobe software and the os were... <82e1a705f4bf> shirkingmeh: US v. Boucher <82e1a705f4bf> look into it <shirkingmeh> lazy <82e1a705f4bf> they're punishing people under the PROTECT act <82e1a705f4bf> you only need to read the federal statute <82e1a705f4bf> it's illegal <shirkingmeh> what <shirkingmeh> cake? <shirkingmeh> lol <82e1a705f4bf> period. end of sentence. full stop. <shirkingmeh> nonono... we arent using type writers. <Kokonoe> We went over this already. Technically illegal since people are dumb, but rarely enforced, and even then nothing usually comes of it <shirkingmeh> what is technically illegal <shirkingmeh> are we talking about loli pron <shirkingmeh> or software <Kokonoe> loli <shirkingmeh> its not "technicaly" illegal in the US <82e1a705f4bf> is it against the law? yes i can site the statute. Wether or not it is enforced is not an issue. It is illegal due to the PROTECT act. <82e1a705f4bf> period <shirkingmeh> it is only legal via kind of a not really 'real' loop hole. <82e1a705f4bf> no <82e1a705f4bf> you're all wrong <shirkingmeh> lol <shirkingmeh> who the fuck is this person <Kokonoe> enough of that 'period' crap, it's not that simple <shirkingmeh> if it was real cp yes <shirkingmeh> it is <82e1a705f4bf> thats a given <shirkingmeh> but no <shirkingmeh> its not <82e1a705f4bf> it is <82e1a705f4bf> us v. boucher <82e1a705f4bf> look it up <shirkingmeh> give me a link and i might actualy read it <Kokonoe> The law is generally used to compound charges of CP, it has no real bearing on those who possess only loli <82e1a705f4bf> they're trying to get into his laptop because a customs agent saw "japanese manga images of children having sex" <82e1a705f4bf> no it does <shirkingmeh> yeah <Jiburiru> theres alot of so called loopholes <shirkingmeh> because they think he could have cp <82e1a705f4bf> there are no loopholes <shirkingmeh> read them <shirkingmeh> it is not a loop hole <shirkingmeh> it is just a dumb thing our government does with art <shirkingmeh> but liek i said <shirkingmeh> the only reason they are trying to go through his computer is because of the loli, they think he could have cp <Jiburiru> and the fact that its artwork in which no one is actually physically affected, it is technically protected by the first amendment <shirkingmeh> loli itself is in no way illegal <82e1a705f4bf> "Prohibits drawings, sculptures, and pictures of such drawings and sculptures depicting minors in actions or situations that meet the (Miller test) of being obscene, OR are engaged in [[sex]] acts that are deemed to meet the same obscene condition." <Kokonoe> If the police try to V& me just because I have loli, I'll fight it in court to the end <82e1a705f4bf> read and weep <shirkingmeh> the miller test is NOT <demonbaine> that law if im croorect forbids convicted pedophiles from processing the recent bill making it illegal was struck down by the law courts in feb <shirkingmeh> the actual law <shirkingmeh> it is only a law in one state <shirkingmeh> dont throw miller bull shit at my face <82e1a705f4bf> you're not correct demonbane <82e1a705f4bf> that was a probation violation but they made the protect act charge stick <demonbaine> otherwise flat would be down as well as many loli sites <82e1a705f4bf> they're probably monitoring it <shirkingmeh> so? <shirkingmeh> they can't do any thing about it. <shirkingmeh> its not illegal in the US and if flat's server is located in the us <shirkingmeh> who gives a fuck. <shirkingmeh> i would of been vaned long ago if loli was illega <Kokonoe> that means about as much as banning p2p, don't give in to scare tactics 82e1a705f4bf <shirkingmeh> srsly. <shirkingmeh> The miller act <shirkingmeh> never got passed <demonbaine> im sorry i have been following and a seperate law outlawing lolicon was brung before the house in october passed in december struck down by the law courts in feb protect only covers virtual porn realistic cp <shirkingmeh> it got looked at by ONE state <shirkingmeh> and they tried to bring it to the whole country <shirkingmeh> but no, i dont think it is even in said states amendment <shirkingmeh> google what state, because i dont remember and i dont want to. <Kokonoe> Yeah, realistic stuff should be banned like some 3D, but not 2D anime-style art <Jiburiru> 3d is disgusting <82e1a705f4bf> Kokoone: If i get caught with an mp3, i'd imagine i could shake it in a jury trial. Try shaking animated kids being tenticle raped. <Jiburiru> lol <Kokonoe> 'animated' being the key word <82e1a705f4bf> doesnt matter <82e1a705f4bf> (2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors. <82e1a705f4bf> thats the part of the law that effects it <Jiburiru> how can they arrest you for ANIMATING kids being TENTACLE raped <82e1a705f4bf> 18 USC 2225 i think <shirkingmeh> ok, how about i walk into a fucking police station and show them hmm..... the seen at the end of jiburiru' the devil angle, final season 1 ep if that bitch getting tentacle raped <shirkingmeh> NOTHING< would happen. <shirkingmeh> its not illegal. <shirkingmeh> i invite you to do that. <82e1a705f4bf> (2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors. <82e1a705f4bf> (2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors.' <82e1a705f4bf> (2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors.' <shirkingmeh> go ahead, video tape it. <82e1a705f4bf> it is <shirkingmeh> put it on you tube <shirkingmeh> try it <Kokonoe> I can distinguish between fantasy and reality, it's not my fault if those who follow the letter of the law rather than the spirit can't <demonbaine> dude that means any cp using a actor that looks like a child <82e1a705f4bf> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2252A.html <82e1a705f4bf> i didn't make the law <demonbaine> or has been altered digitally to look minor so called teen porn barely legal <82e1a705f4bf> and it's about animated stuff that involves kids <shirkingmeh> no shit, but you arent fully understanding said law that you are spamming about. <82e1a705f4bf> no i am demonbaine <Kokonoe> You're interpreting the law in a way that makes it seem like we're all gonna get V&. It's not gonna happen <demonbaine> well dude leave dont dl it <82e1a705f4bf> i don't <82e1a705f4bf> point being: is they see it they can arrest you <82e1a705f4bf> as of now <shirkingmeh> stfu a second and i will tell you why it is not illegal, it has every thing to do with the "allged child pornography was not produced blah blah blah. <shirkingmeh> nm <demonbaine> if that law covered what you thought there would have been no need for a dedicated law in october - that was srtuck down <Kokonoe> <82e1a705f4bf> (2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors. <-- I mean, what is that? If no actual children were exploited or abused in any way, why would it be illegal? <82e1a705f4bf> it was struck down, similar laws were struck down twice <82e1a705f4bf> because they said it should be <shirkingmeh> that's just it. it was struck down, and is not a law. and thus doesnt affect any of us. what. so. ever. <demonbaine> then what are you fapping about <82e1a705f4bf> thats why <shirkingmeh> wait wait <shirkingmeh> why the fuck are you even here any way? <82e1a705f4bf> similar laws were struck down <82e1a705f4bf> not that one <Kokonoe> same reason peer is here <shirkingmeh> gtfo if you are just going to spew shit. <82e1a705f4bf> no <shirkingmeh> weeeel <shirkingmeh> then im going to gtfo <Kokonoe> lol <shirkingmeh> have fun with said nigger. = / * shirkingmeh has quit (Quit: Flatchan.org java IRC) <Jiburiru> ... <82e1a705f4bf> point being: the law coveres digital pictures of child-like persons in sexual positions. The law says it does not matter if the children were base on real people <Jiburiru> your a dick head 82e1a705f4bf <Kokonoe> lol fear/hate mongering, we're not dumb <Jiburiru> you dont know what your talking about <82e1a705f4bf> call me a dick all you want i'm speaking the truth * You have been kicked from #flatchan by demonbaine (stop spreading crap #5) * Now talking on #flatchan * Topic for #flatchan is: #flatchan | Loli central * Topic for #flatchan set by Kontam!UPP@loves.shota at Sat May 10 14:00:31 2008 <demonbaine> dude you spreading stuff that already been sorted knj <shirkingmeh> hey dude, guess wut. = / <82e1a705f4bf> you know i really do not appreciate oper abuse in a debate <shirkingmeh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8VPp-DPCk8&feature=PlayList&p=83A5D5717563AEA4&index=0 <shirkingmeh> click that <shirkingmeh> guess wut it is <shirkingmeh> lolicon <Kokonoe> That's THE loli [[anime]]. That an Ichigo Mashimaro <shirkingmeh> where? <shirkingmeh> you tube <82e1a705f4bf> you know i really do not appreciate oper abuse in a debate <82e1a705f4bf> don;t do that again <82e1a705f4bf> now <shirkingmeh> its the interenet <demonbaine> no i know whe someone is messing around in the channel trying to troll ppl <82e1a705f4bf> i'm not clikcing on that <shirkingmeh> shut the fuck up before i start calling you a nigger for not listning <82e1a705f4bf> i'm not trolling stupid <shirkingmeh> so <Kokonoe> this guy = peer? <Kokonoe> acts like him <shirkingmeh> probably. <82e1a705f4bf> no <shirkingmeh> lawl * demonbaine sets ban on *!*@Rizon-90808172.dhcp.embarqhsd.net * demonbaine sets ban on *!*82e1a705f4bf@*.dhcp.embarqhsd.net * You have been kicked from #flatchan by demonbaine (You've been dying since the day you were born. ( banned ) #6)
What a dick. I oughta lump you out IRL, Demonbaine. You too, Kokonoe.
Lolicon is illegal Part 2: Staff Admits It's Illegal (which IRC is a violation of Rizon rules, LOL BANTOWN)
So I connected again much later on with a proxy....
<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> why is there a link up there about child porn? <Flonne-chan> where? <Kawaii_neko_boi_69> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13739_3-9994159-46.html <Kawaii_neko_boi_69> in the topic <Kawaii_neko_boi_69> why does that concren us though <Flonne-chan> because lolicon is a "Target" <TheFrink> what can lolicon be misconstrued as? <TheFrink> nubcake <Flonne-chan> and lolicon can be misconstrued as CP <Flonne-chan> as one comment says... absolute power corrupts absolutely <Flonne-chan> besides, what gives one group the absolute right to intercept my [[internet]] data without my knowledge or consent <Kawaii_neko_boi_69> Fionne-Chan, so you're saying that ultimatly, these laws are being used to ban loli, under the guise of CP? <Flonne-chan> yep <TheFrink> ain't censorship a bitch? <Flonne-chan> this goes beyond censorship <Flonne-chan> carte-blanche access to anyones internet data under the guise of "protecting the kids" <Kawaii_neko_boi_69> wait i just want to get this clear, they are in fact trying to make lolicon illegal, under PROTECT? they're trying to enforce PROTECT provisions that are unconstitutional? <Flonne-chan> the thing is, theyre doing it by association <Flonne-chan> not an act of law <Flonne-chan> effectively "guilty by association" <Flonne-chan> then again, seems like any constitutional right can be waived aside under a few broad banners... "protecting against terrorists." and "Protecting the nations Youth" <Kawaii_neko_boi_69> but PROTECT says that it doesnt mater if real kids are involved <Kawaii_neko_boi_69> .....so it was, under this [[insane]] law, illegal already, am i right? <Flonne-chan> again, illegal by association <Flonne-chan> yeah * guuchan has quit (Killed (summer (OH BTW GRATS))) * guuchan (firstname.lastname@example.org) has joined #flatchan <Kawaii_neko_boi_69> so let me get this perfectly clear, it's already illegal under PROTECT, there's a provision that relates to "regardless if the child exists or not". Man that sucks <Flonne-chan> yeah <Kawaii_neko_boi_69> ok thanks for clearing that up
God juped Demonbanes handle IRL
Demonbane has not been heard from according to oper Cheesey, in about a year. He was terminally ill just after this happened. Is it assumed he is dead. He died in Scotland.
Couldn't have happened to a better person.
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